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musa kusa's a close gadhafi confidant who could spill major secrets. and though the obama administration promised no american boots on the ground, today, cia agents are in libya. the president's secret order to get more intel on the rebel groups. here's republican mike rogers and democrat dutch rupersberger both on the house intelligence committee. >> we don't want to arm the rebels until we know who they are. >> we're also concerned about radical groups that might be involved with them, especially al qaeda. >> what we do know, the rebels are disorganized and untrained. >> reporter: we saw them aim a rocket, what we thought, at gadhafi's forces, but instead, it was pointed the wrong way and it went in the opposite direction, toward a civilian city. >> the white house reportedly is trying to decide whether to supply arms. here's the defense secretary this morning on capitol hill. >> frankly, there are many countries that can do that. >> even after a briefing
yesterday by gates and the secretary of state, lawmakers still had major questions. >> why haven't we made some plans or had some long-term plans before we went in there? and who's going to pick up the tab for all this? >> and is the mission in libya legal? >> secretary clinton said, well, that question'seen deted for cas d e mistti d its lwys believe that they had ample constitution and legal grounds to stand on. for my part, i don't think that's an adequa awe>>im mand w. what's the status for the rebels right now? how far are they away from their original goals? >> reporter: hi, contessa. well, they are clearly hurting. i mean, their retreat has just been at a dizzying pace. the gadhafi forces are still fighting in brega, we understand. but many of those rebel fighters are now licking their wounds and trying to figure out just what to do next all the way back in ajdabiya. that's 200 miles, at least, to the east of where they were first hit, if you recall, when
they were outside of sirte two days ago. they hit that wall of fire. it was as much local militias as anything else. these were armed civilians running around in jeeps and pickup trucks, looking very much like the rebels, by the way, who actually ambushed the rebels as gadhafi's heavy weapons were pushing them back and back and back. so now they're in ajdabiya. rebel leaders are pleaing for anti-tank webs, for shoulder-fired rockets. but looking at the footage and great reporting richard is doing out there. it would take professional soldiers months to learn how to fire these types of weapons. and these rebels are clearly amateurs. you can see just the reaction they have to the slightest incoming, to the slightest explosion. they scatter in all kinds of directions. there's no battlefield leadership or discipline. and, by the way, there's no communication between them. i mean, they need two-way radios as much as they need any kind of weapon, contessa. >> and jim, at this point, i said that gadhafi has had his
own sort of blow with his foreign minister resigning, which has been confirmed by the libyan government. how much of an impact does that really create? >> well, if you listen to the people here, the spokesman, for instance, of the libyan government, he's kind of brushing it over. but i've got to tell you, a quick little anecdote. when i first came here, i called a western libya expert, a person who's also a gadhafi biographer. and i asked that individual what would be the telltale sign that gadhafi was really in serious trouble? and that individual, who will go unnamed, answered, musa kusa's defection. that would be the big blow. that would be the noose tightening around his neck. he's not only one of gadhafi's closest advisers since the 1970s, he's the former chief of intelligence, he knows a lot about gadhafi's past, he certainly knows a lot about gadhafi's real involvement in pan am 103, for instance.
and he's negotiating musa kusa right now with the british officials, i'm sure, based on what he knows, his own future. because the brits are saying he doesn't have immunity yet from prosecution. but the government here playing it way down, saying he was on medical leave in tunisia, et cetera, et cetera. back to you. >> jim maceda, thank you for the fine reporting there. the secretary of defense was again on capitol hill today, talking about what the goals really are and he was talking about gadhafi's leadership in libya and what it means in this particular mission. let me play it. >> deposing the gadhafi regime, as welcome as that eventuality would be, is not part of the mission. the removal of gadhafi will be achieved over time by military and political measures by his own people. >> let me bring in jim mic la
she ha miklaszewski. >> it's at least a very huge victory for the u.s. and the coalition forces, but it could prove to be a treasure-trove of intelligence about what gadhafi is up to there in libya and just how strong or weak he may or may not be. but, of course, musa kusa, the foreign cfamily, could be a psychological defeat, at least temporarily, for gadhafi. >> jim, let understanding of the immediate specific tasks they're trying to accomplish? >> well, everybody we've known for years and who talk about this situation say, look, this is a pro forma kind of operation, covert operation. where you put cia on the ground, as early as possible. in this case, on an intelligence gathering mission, not only for the current air strikes and operations, but to figure out exactly who you're dealing with
in terms of these options leaders and forces. to try to figure out who can be trusted, and in the eventually that some of them may be armed, who you would give those arms to. so they would not be turned against either the u.s. or coalition forces or our friends in the region at some future date. >> jim miklaszewski, thank you, jim. >> contessa, one more thing? >> yes, sir. >> something very interesting out of the testimony today from secretary gates. he said when asked about arming the rebels that he was against arming the rebels. he thought that somebody else, some other nation should do that. but he also said when asked about boots on the ground, that as far as he knows, president obama has no other military missions in mind for libya at this time. >> right. and right now, the president hasn't even committed to arming the rebels. he says he's keeping an open mind about it, he's not committed to it, he's not committed against it. we'll wait and see and keep our eyes on that situation. jim, thanks. >> okay. so shutdown or showdown?
those are the options on the table right now in the budget battle. and tea party republicans don't really seem to care which. they just don't want to deal with democrats. live pictures right now from a tea party rally in washington, d.c., where republicans, like minnesota's michele bachmann and indiana's mike pence are pushing party leaders to stick to their guns on these mega budget cuts. but the argument is turning from how to trim the deficit to tea party strategy. >> you tell a child "don't do that," it's going to hurt you, and you say, "don't do that, it's going to hurt you," ultimately, they get hurt. and then they cry and say, you know, ohh, well, that's what you're going to hear around here when the republicans, tea party people actually get what they're wishing for. >> -- in an effort to preserve what's good about our country, they are politely asking lawmakers here in washington to change the way things are done around here. >> joining me now is republican
representative joe walsh of illinois, who got the support of the tea party to win his election. it's good to see you today, congressman. >> hey, contessa, great to be on. >> so are you prepared, personally, for the fallout if this showdown on the budget battle ends in a government shutdown? >> you know, contessa, i'm going to be speaking at that tea party rally shortly and i can't wait. look, it's a gentle reminder of where we are. the american people got on a train, the train's heading out of the track. they want us to cut spending. the house republicans, contessa, are on that train, and i've got to tell you, to me, it's sad. the democrats, all they're doing is playing politics. the president should be ashamed of himself. he's not even involved in these negotiations -- >> actually, congressman, i've got to stop you. that is absolutely, categorically, not true. the president and his administration have been working with lawmakers to try and move forward on this. and let me go through some of the consequences. at least in 1995, after newt
gingrich led the government to shut down, the omb says it cost $1.25 billion -- billiondolla dollars -- national parks lost $14 million a day in tourism, furloughed 800,000 employees. if those are the consequences this time around, do you think it's fair? do you think 800,000 government workers who lose their paychecks while congress keeps their, is it fair? >> contessa, the president's not involved, and shame on him. and the senate democrats in denial. the american people sent us to washington to cut spending. and you know what? 40 days ago, we put a continuing resolution in front of the senate that cuts spending and funded government for the rest of the year. the senate democrats never got back to us, contessa. they are absolutely in denial. but you know what? they're going to have to run and catch p, because the american people are miles ahead of them right now. >> okay. so back to the question about furloughing government workers. i mean, we know the unemployment situation in the nation.
if the government shuts down, you're going to have 800,000, roughly, give or take, federal employees who have to go days,n republicans have done and put in front of them, then harry reid wants a shutdown. look, everything this president has done the last two years has destroyed job creation out in the private economy. that's what we republicans are trying to do. and, again, i tell you, respectfully, the senate dems are in denial. they're playing politics. look what chuck schumer said the other day. look at howard dean saying a shutdown might be good for the democrats. >> do you think a shutdown is preferable to a negotiated deal with the democrats, which has to happen because of the split between the house and the senate? do you think that -- >> john boehner -- >> do you think that a shutdown is preferable to a deal? >> oh, gosh, no. we want to cut spending and keep the government funded. but i'll tell you something, if
we can't get a response from the senate democrats, this shut down's at their feet. look, contessa, they lost the substantiative argument. their only hope is to get to you, the media, to paint the republicans like the bad guys. the american people are miles ahead of them. >> listen, i don't have a horse in that race. i'm not trying to paint anybody with any kind of paint brush, congressman. but the thing is, there are pros and cons. and you're coming on and you're talking about the pros of pushing forward and if the government shutdown happens because there's no deal, well, then, there are consequences. and i would be remiss not to point those out. >> contessa, i'm talking about doing what the american people sent us here to do. and everybody seems to understand that, except the democrats. and again, respectfully, the white house isn't involved. look, he proposed a budget a month ago that didn't even talk about entitlement reform. he's not serious. they are all playing politics over there, and again, the american people are way ahead of this. way ahead of this. >> hey, conessman walsh, thank
for your time. we'll be keeping our eye on that tea party rally today. >> thank you, contessa. >> so my big question today, what will be the consequences, if conservatives force a government showdown? and i don't mean just money-wise and for the employees, i mean, politically, what are the consequence? would like to hear your thoughts. you can reach me on twitter, on facebook, my e-mail is firstname.lastname@example.org. it's supposed to be spring, so why doesn't it feel like that? the northeast is expecting a nasty april fools' day surprise, more snow. the system has already slammed parts of the midwest with heavy, wet snow, and now, of course, it's the northeast's turn. let's go to the weather channel's nick walker in atlanta for the details. nick, can i point out an observation? people in the northeast are grouchy and grumpy and all-around irritable because we haven't seen sun in soix months. >> winter's just hanging on a little while longer. i've got to tell you, if this is nature's idea of an april fools'
joke, it's a groaner, it really is. one more blast of winter here before it's all over, as this area of low pressure initially brings rain to the mid-atlantic coastline. looks like new york will be just rain, but no sunshine there, contessa. we will see snow, though, as a lot of cold air wraps into this, as we head through your day tomorrow. it looks like some of those snowfall totals could be very heavy, and it's going to be wet, heavy snowfall too. so that coupled with 45-mile-an-hour wind gusts could mean widespread power outages as well. so we could see a foot to a foot and a half in the higher elevations. it's going to be widely varied here. even massachusetts could see as much as 10 inches, contessa. ♪ ain't no sunshine when spring's gone ♪ nick, thanks. traces of radiation found in milk in two states. what is the real health risk? the war on easter. why one town takes easter out of its annual egg hunt. and the lucky seven. part of an office pool who won a
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reserves. 100 years' worth of reserves, in the shale under our feet. >> and shale makes the cover of the new issue of time magazine, with claims it could power the world. "time" reporter's article looks at the debate. give me the sales pitch on shale. >> shale is right here, right now for america. it's cleaner, natural gas is cleaner than goal, which does most of our electricity right now. it's plentiful, the cost is lower than it's ever been, and it's something we can use to get electricity. if you want to be really ambitious, you can get it from some long-form transport, cut oil imports that way, but it's something we can tap right now and it's here in the united states. >> i know they made leaps and strides in the research and development of shale when oil prices were really high. it's when in the cost/benefit analysis it pays off to research these kinds of things. let me explain the downside. some of the listed downsides of shale. that it takes 5 million gallons of water in a single fractured
well that there are concerns that this fracing could contaminate nearby ground water. that the hydraulic fracturing can produce more than 1 million gallons of toxic, briny wastewater over the lifetime of an individual well. did you find that industry insiders could adequately explain how they mitigate those consequences? >> well, some of them are getting better. this is a case where this exploded so fast, especially in pennsylvania where you really see the bulk of the drilling happening right now. and it got ahead of regulatoreg frankly. this is a state that wasn't accustomed to this type of drilling. they are getting a little better at it. you're seeing the better players in the industry actually recycling that wastewater, using it again, which helps to reduce that problem. >> an interesting thing we found when researching this, there was an article more than 30 years ago in "time" magazine that basically lays out the same case for shale, it was in 1979, it talks about the pros and the cons. is this really inevitable if we
cagoorth ea thueovenon >>,br this cost down. we have been fracing wells for a long time, but we haven't been able to do it at the cost that we can do now, which has enabled us to get at reserves that weren't there before. that's true for a lot of things, true for other forms of oil and gas. once you get the technology and the price point, suddenly these things in the past that were not economical do make sense. >> bryan, thank you for coming in. appreciate that. you know the saying, "sticks and stones break bones, names don't hurt." it's not true. and one bullied girl is calling attention to that fact. plus, a trace amount of radiation detected in milk in the united states. what health officials say they're doing about it. and the planet mercury like you've never seen before. make a wish! oh. ooh. happy birthday todd. it's for a cough...
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your trip begins at michigan.org. welcome back to msnbc. i'm contessa brewer. a federal official says the casino bust that crashed last month killing 15 people was speeding before it drifted off the highway more than 20 miles over the speed limit. the fbi's enlisting help for solving a murder case from puzzle fans. a body was found in st. louis field in '99. the only clues, two encrypted notes. the american cryptogram association is now on the case. nasa's checking to see if the space shuttle "endeavour" has any storm damage. lightning, hail, and high winds swept through that area. shuttle commander mark kelly says he's still waiting for a doctor's blessing to bring his wife to that launch. and judge judy is expected to be released from the hospital today after spending the night. it's not known what prompted her medical scare, but she says she
feels fine and she was joking around on twitter. cia operatives are now on the ground in libya, gathering intel on military strikes and anti-government forces. the presence of the cia could open the door to arming libya's rebels, but the united states has not made a firm decision to move forward. in a hearing before the house armed services committee today, joint chiefs chair mike mullen said moammar gadhafi continues to turn on his own people. >> he still denies his own people food, water, electricity, and shelter. he threatens them on the streets of misratah and he has made no secret of the fact that he will kill as many of them as he must to crush the rebellion. >> democratic congressman adam smith is a member of the house committee that heard that testimony today. congressman, good to see you today. >> good to see you. >> you pressed the secretary of defense and admiral mullen on what comes next. you want to know what the commitments will be. did you get answers? >> i think we've got a pretty clear answer on what the mission
is. there's a military mission and then there's a broader political diplomatic mission. the military mission is to protect the civilian proposition and to stop the ability of gadhafi to inflict violence on his own people that admiral mullness described. even the rebels don't want foreign troops in libya. because they know to some extent putting foreign troops in libya strengthens gadhafi and very much, very much complicates the mission. so we'll try to isolate and force gadhafi from power. and it's a good step that the foreign minister in libya defected. that shows that people are beginning towns that there is no future with gadhafi in that country. so you've got to separate the military mission from the broader mission. and i think both secretary gates and admiral mullen did a very effective job of doing that before our committee today. >> i know that there's also ongoing complaints and griping that the president denied ask for congress's input before engaging in this military intervention. and you asked members of his administration about that today.
let me play the answer. >> sure. >> his compliance in terms of consultation and notification of the congress has been consistent with the actions taken by all of his predecessors. >> you know, in the research that we've done here, you look back at almost every administration in generations, and there has been executive authority to engage in military action without first consulting with congress and getting congress's blessing on this. are you satisfied that the president was well within his rights to do this? >> i am. from a legal standpoint, i think you're absolutely right. what the president did here is perfectly consistent with what every president, democrat and republican, has done for decades. going back, gosh, have been more than 100 years. you've had military incursions in different places, going back to thomas jefferson for that matter, that were done without congressional approval. what i'm talking about is something a little different. and that is building support within congress for the action by discussing the issue with
them beforehand. prior to the u.n. resolution, there was no discussions between the white house and leadership in the house or the senate of the key committees or just the general leadership of the house and the senate about where they were going, the options they were considering. and all i'm saying to the white house is, if you want support for congress when you act, you've got to talk to them a little bit earlier on to bring them into the process of your decision making. that's what i think didn't happen here, and i think we're seeing some of the negative effects on that, as there is not as much support in congress as i think there should be for these actions, because congress feels like they weren't brought into those discussions. but legally, this president is perfectly consistent with all of his predecessors. >> congressman, thank you so much for your time tonight. i appreciate that. >> thank you. we have some breaking news coming into us right now from the tampa area. here's the radar. wfla is reporting that two small planes have overturned at st. petersburg clearwater international airport. there may have been tornadoes in this area and you can see by those dark burgundy areas,
that's the most severe weather. now there are reports of people trapped in one of the buildings at the airport because of a collapse. they've seen flying debris, trees knocked over, power lines blocking traffic in downtown tampa. and again, reports of funnel clouds. we're waiting for the weather channel or for the national weather service to weigh in on this and when we get it, we will update you about the situation there in tampa. a disturbing report from the environmental protection agency here in the united states that trace amounts of radiation have been detected in milk samples from california and washington state. let's go to nbc's chief science correspondent, robert bazell. tell me what you know about these -- the radiation that has shown up in the milk. >> well, the radiation is in small amounts that do not pose a threat to human health. the epa has to report these levels because it's required by law and nobody would want to hear that they were keeping them a secret. we did have a statement today from an official of the food and drug administration, i think we can put it up and take a look about how seriously they take it.
they say, "the radiation is all around us in our daily lives and these findings are a minuscule amount compared to what people experience every day. for example, a person would be exsupposed exposed to low levels of radiation on a round-trip cross-country flight, or even watching television." this amount of radiation does come from the fukushima plant, but it does not pose any kind of threat to human health whatsoever. >> they say the levels are 5,000 times below what would be a concern. bob, thank you for coming in and giving us the update there. a teen girl in connecticut who says she's been bullied for years is resorting to youtube to try and get help, and not just for herself. ♪ ♪
♪ >> edward daygan is an education expert and the author of "bully action guide." the signs on those, and we had to blur some of those out because they are -- they're hurtful, they're expletives, they're mean and cruel. how much damage are children every day going through because of this kind of bullying? >> yeah. kids are being damaged physically, emotionally, and socially because of bullying every day. and we're finding more and more kids are bullying and cyberspace is a real problem for kids today too. >> but this has landed back on front page headlines and we've spent time talking about this for years now. so why -- i mean, is the problem getting better? why are kids like alya still
going through this? >> i don't think that the problem is getting any better at all. there's about 30% of the kids in the country are being bullied or are victims of bullying. and it's not really getting any better. parents need to take steps to help their kids and to interact with the school to help to stop this. >> okay, specifically, though, this is what we talk about all the time, but what works with bullies? does teaching kids how to stand up to them work? does adults saying, hey, stop bullying, what works? >> well, teaching kids how to stand up to bullies really doesn't work that well. one of the things that does help is to help -- to look at bystanders and to give the bystanders, those that are observing the bullying the skills to be able to intervene. and that's tough for kids. especially in the elementary school and the middle school. it's very tough for kids. but that's what schools ought to be doing. they need to be teaching empathy. >> when you see that video, do you think if the girls who are
picking on this teenager, if they see that, is that the kind of message that gets through, or is it likely just to exacerbate the situation? >> well, i don't think it's a very good idea for kids to be seeing the success of other kids' bullying each other. that's not a good thing. >> and that success -- is that the face of success, a girl who's devastated like that? >> well, a lot of kids are going to see that, when somebody is being bullied, that they're going to try to do the same thing. and other kids are going to be able to empathize with the kid who is being bullied and help to stop it. >> all right. it's good to talk to you. i appreciate you coming in. i wish that we could stop doing these segments. i wish that it was -- we're just getting -- okay, go ahead, tell me what it is. what's the school response? oh, all right. my producer is just reminding me that we did reach out to the school for comment, we did not get a comment back. and also, we reached out to the mother and the teenager in this case and didn't hear back from them. but we certainly wish her the
best of luck. edward, thanks. we have breaking news coming to us from tampa right now. reports of tornados and the problems look devastating. here's the radar coming through. you can see those burgundy areas. so, by the way, if tampa's already gotten it, and there's the tower camera now coming in from tampa, florida, it looks like orlando, central florida could be next in the line of these storms. but we're looking at real reports of damage, perhaps people trapped in collapsed buildings. wfla is sending us the pictures right now and has crews on the scene. we're staying on top of it. quick break here, we'll be right back. [ mike ] my name is mike and i quit smoking.
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official souvenir easter eggs. this is a tradition that one community in northeast ohio wants to break. munson township officials want to take the easter out of the easter egg hunt. they want to call it a spring egg hunt. cleveland affiliate tried to find out, does it matter to kids. >> the difference is that in a spring egg hunt, usually your feet would be hot. >> which one would you use in a spring egg you not, which one would you use in an easter egg hunt? >> i have no idea. >> when you find one of these, what do you get out of the middle. >> thanks. >> irene supports the munson board of trustees, which is voting on the title change next tuesday. so, irene, let me begin with you. do you really need to take easter out of an easter egg hunt? >> no, we don't. in fact, i think there's been son confusion.
i'm proposing the name easter egg you not, i think it will pass. we're trying to be inclusive and a new community event. we've never had an egg hunt before. we thought it would be nice to get our residents out of the cold and snow. >> okay, wait, so is this really a battle, then, like we see at christmastime, those who take christ out of christmas. i mean, is this people who are already in advance of the hunt saying, a spring egg hunt, it's supposed to be an easter egg hunt? >> our easter egg hunt is what you might term a traditional hunt. we have plastic eggs and candy and we're expecting a surprise visitor to come and visit the children. >> right. >> we're really hoping it will bring our community together and give an opportunity for families to bring their children and enjoy visiting with their neighbors. >> okay. enzo, what's your take on easter versus spring? >> my interpretation is slightly different. i read the article in a local newspaper recapping a recent board meeting, and there was
discussion of naming this event a spring egg hunt episode an easter egg hunt, due to the fact that it was public funds and they were trying to make it all-inclusive. and had it been sponsored by a private company or individual, then they could have brought the name "easter" into the event. so i just simply took advantage of that opportunity. it was important to me. i sent an e-mail out to the trustees that i would be willing to sponsor this event and irene and i had a conversation shortly after that. irene was going to check with the county prosecutor to make sure that, in fact, this could take place, as an easter egg hunt, and then she was going to propose it as next tuesday's board meeting, and if there's no objections -- >> i can't -- can i just be honest here? i cannot believe this is actual town business. it boggles my mind. >> we're a rural community, so the value of having our neighbors be able to get together in our park is
important. we have a fishing derby and community picnic -- >> sure, i get that, but arguing over easter versus -- what's next? you're going to argue whether you can have a halloween trick or treating event because halloween's a pagan holiday? >> we were trying to come up with a title and several titles were proposed. i think easter egg hunt is a good descriptor. we wanted people to know what they were coming to. i think the name easter egg hunt conveys what we're trying to say, which is, bring your children and we'll have plastic eggs and candy. we're hoping it will be a nice event. >> right, i'm sure, as we saw with the wkyc piece, the kids don't really care as long as there's candy that they get to go home with. all right, enzo, irene, thank you so much for joining us for the discussion, appreciate it. on that note, we'll be right back. [ woman ] we take it a day at a time.
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afewer americans are on the unemployment line. the number of people applying for benefits dropped 6,000 from 388,000. people are feeling better about the economy, another sign, according to a survey, 73% of people say they are planning to quit their jobs at some point. 28% say they'll walk out in the next two years.
and 40% say they're confident they'll find a new job that matches their experience and pay within six months. peter morici is a professor at the maryland smith school of business, former chief economist at the u.s. international trade commission. good to see you today. >> good to be with you. >> do you think we're just sick of suffering this stagnant, lowered pay -- we're sick of taking jobs we're overqualified for and now we're dabbling in irrational exuberance? >> well, i think people are exhausted with being disgusted or afraid, but there are other positive indicators. you know, the economy, we're hiring more people, there are fewer layoffs, so for the time being, people feel less threatened by conditions around them. >> a big jobs report comes out tomorrow. in what areas, in what industries is it reasonable to think, yeah, there's enough job growth here to encourage workers to think about leaving for another opportunity. >> what we're going to look at tomorrow is private sector jobs creation, less health care, social services, temporary
employment, because the government subsidizes the first two, and temporary jobs aren't worth a lot to ordinary people. last month was the first month we saw really big growth in the core private sector. if we see it there, then we're going to see it across the board. retail sales, manufacturing, every place except perhaps construction. if we see it in manufacturing, retail sales and other business services, we're going to start to feel better about things. >> peter, it's good to see you. i appreciate the brief layout here of what we're facing in the next six months or so. >> take care. i'm contessa brewer. thank you for watching today. up next, "andrea mitchell reports." hope you have a great day, everybody. ♪
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>> i can't speak to any cia activities, but i will tell you that the president has been quite clear that in terms of the united states military, there will be no boots on the ground. >> with us this hour, senate armed services committee member, jim webb, and how intelligence chairman, mike rogers. budget breakthrough? not so fast. house speaker john boehner today balks at reports that lawmakers have settled on a magic number to avert a government shutdown. it could be because the tea partyers have come to town. they're here rallying in washington at this hour against any compromise, putting more pressure on the republican leaders. this hour we'll talk to the democrats, their take on the budget talks, congressman elijah cummings. plus, will he or won't he? indiana governor mitch daniels fighting his own budget battles at home and pondering a race for the white house.